Comments on: Here’s A Way To Get Ready To Move – With Less Pain! http://www.howtocopewithpain.org/blog/101/heres-a-way-to-get-ready-to-move-with-less-pain/ Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:18:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Esther http://www.howtocopewithpain.org/blog/101/heres-a-way-to-get-ready-to-move-with-less-pain/comment-page-1/#comment-6189 Esther Sat, 21 Jun 2008 17:26:14 +0000 http://www.howtocopewithpain.org/blog/101/heres-a-way-to-get-ready-to-move-with-less-pain/#comment-6189 Some other things I recommend anyone do: Have a doctor you trust, ask every question you can think of and keep thinking of questions and discuss everything - everything with your healthcare providers before trying new things. It's very important. Sometimes they know reasons not to try out some new idea - and sometimes they will help you with exploring strategies - and then sometimes they will let you know they don't know. All of this is important. Recognise is a a new idea. It's the same thing with it. Some other things I recommend anyone do: Have a doctor you trust, ask every question you can think of and keep thinking of questions and discuss everything – everything with your healthcare providers before trying new things. It’s very important. Sometimes they know reasons not to try out some new idea – and sometimes they will help you with exploring strategies – and then sometimes they will let you know they don’t know. All of this is important.
Recognise is a a new idea. It’s the same thing with it.

]]> By: How to Cope with Pain http://www.howtocopewithpain.org/blog/101/heres-a-way-to-get-ready-to-move-with-less-pain/comment-page-1/#comment-6187 How to Cope with Pain Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:55:48 +0000 http://www.howtocopewithpain.org/blog/101/heres-a-way-to-get-ready-to-move-with-less-pain/#comment-6187 Esther, if you go to the NOI website, then click on "products," then "brain training," it's there. You could ask them what their refund policy is, in terms of options if it didn't work. I'd recommend you talk with your pain management provider to get her advice about your using this program. Esther, if you go to the NOI website, then click on “products,” then “brain training,” it’s there. You could ask them what their refund policy is, in terms of options if it didn’t work. I’d recommend you talk with your pain management provider to get her advice about your using this program.

]]> By: Esther http://www.howtocopewithpain.org/blog/101/heres-a-way-to-get-ready-to-move-with-less-pain/comment-page-1/#comment-6186 Esther Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:25:58 +0000 http://www.howtocopewithpain.org/blog/101/heres-a-way-to-get-ready-to-move-with-less-pain/#comment-6186 I looked for Recognise from the cite recommended and didn't find it. I would want to see it before spending that sort of money. How does one know whether it will be useful? Might it be of use to me because I know I am stronger on one side than the other because of pain? I looked for Recognise from the cite recommended and didn’t find it. I would want to see it before spending that sort of money.
How does one know whether it will be useful? Might it be of use to me because I know I am stronger on one side than the other because of pain?

]]> By: jeisea http://www.howtocopewithpain.org/blog/101/heres-a-way-to-get-ready-to-move-with-less-pain/comment-page-1/#comment-3444 jeisea Sat, 30 Jun 2007 03:53:26 +0000 http://www.howtocopewithpain.org/blog/101/heres-a-way-to-get-ready-to-move-with-less-pain/#comment-3444 Spacial awareness seems a likely possibility. Spacial awareness seems a likely possibility.

]]> By: HtCwP http://www.howtocopewithpain.org/blog/101/heres-a-way-to-get-ready-to-move-with-less-pain/comment-page-1/#comment-3443 HtCwP Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:11:31 +0000 http://www.howtocopewithpain.org/blog/101/heres-a-way-to-get-ready-to-move-with-less-pain/#comment-3443 Hmmm, very interesting. Perhaps the <i>no-pain-but-poor-score</i> is more specific... a proxy for body awareness in some way. How about clumsiness or sports ability? Or sense of directions, knowing where you are related to your surroundings? Thanks for your comment! Hmmm, very interesting.

Perhaps the no-pain-but-poor-score is more specific… a proxy for body awareness in some way.

How about clumsiness or sports ability? Or sense of directions, knowing where you are related to your surroundings?

Thanks for your comment!

]]> By: jeisea http://www.howtocopewithpain.org/blog/101/heres-a-way-to-get-ready-to-move-with-less-pain/comment-page-1/#comment-3441 jeisea Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:43:38 +0000 http://www.howtocopewithpain.org/blog/101/heres-a-way-to-get-ready-to-move-with-less-pain/#comment-3441 I also have used Recognize. I have whole body CRPS and score quite poorly at the most basic level. However I score much better with the more complex picture backgrounds. I do much worse when pain is increased eg with migraine as well as the rest. A male who has tried and has no pain scored 100%. A female who has no pain scores poorly just as your husband did. I disagree with your thoughts that perhaps one's skill area may impact on this as both the other female and I have strengths in the maths/science areas. Of five adults 1 has NO pain and PERFECT scores 1 has PAIN but PERFECT scores 1 has PAIN and POOR scores 2 have NO pain and POOR scores Schwoebel et al. (2001) in "Pain & Body Schema" wrote "- we note that the hand laterality task, after further examinaton and modification, may also be of clinical value. As a blind and objective measure, it may be that performance on the hand laterality task could provide a more reliable & valid measure of pain than the currently used self-reported ratings of pain. " This small sample would appear to refute this suggestion. Interestingly, although I have clearly left/right issues I have been using mirror visual therapy without prior use of Recognize or imagined movements and with great success. In fact Dr Moseley indicated to me that as I have success with mirror therapy, I appear not to need Recognize. That said Dr Moseley's studies raise the possibility that success is dependent on sequential activation of pre-motor and then motor networks. My case may be different as I do not exhibit obvious symptoms of "neglect" and have exercised from the beginning bi-laterally. As this sequential program is simple and easy to follow it seems sensible to take that approach. I also have used Recognize. I have whole body CRPS and score quite poorly at the most basic level. However I score much better with the more complex picture backgrounds. I do much worse when pain is increased eg with migraine as well as the rest.

A male who has tried and has no pain scored 100%. A female who has no pain scores poorly just as your husband did. I disagree with your thoughts that perhaps one’s skill area may impact on this as both the other female and I have strengths in the maths/science areas.

Of five adults
1 has NO pain and PERFECT scores
1 has PAIN but PERFECT scores
1 has PAIN and POOR scores
2 have NO pain and POOR scores

Schwoebel et al. (2001) in “Pain & Body Schema” wrote
“- we note that the hand laterality task, after further examinaton and modification, may also be of clinical value. As a blind and objective measure, it may be that performance on the hand laterality task could provide a more reliable & valid measure of pain than the currently used self-reported ratings of pain. ”

This small sample would appear to refute this suggestion.

Interestingly, although I have clearly left/right issues I have been using mirror visual therapy without prior use of Recognize or imagined movements and with great success. In fact Dr Moseley indicated to me that as I have success with mirror therapy, I appear not to need Recognize.

That said Dr Moseley’s studies raise the
possibility that success is dependent on sequential activation
of pre-motor and then motor networks. My case may be different as I do not exhibit obvious symptoms of “neglect” and have exercised from the beginning bi-laterally.

As this sequential program is simple and easy to follow it seems sensible to take that approach.

]]> By: HtCwP http://www.howtocopewithpain.org/blog/101/heres-a-way-to-get-ready-to-move-with-less-pain/comment-page-1/#comment-3437 HtCwP Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:37:29 +0000 http://www.howtocopewithpain.org/blog/101/heres-a-way-to-get-ready-to-move-with-less-pain/#comment-3437 I've tried <i>Recognise</i> to evaluate it. However, I've been able to score very high, meaning I don't have left/right discrimination problems right now. I might have when my pain was worse. So I've moved on to the mirror imagery treatments, and am currently seeing how that goes. Of interest, my husband, who has no pain problems - other than a cat whom he finds painfully annoying :) - scored poorly. His skills are more abstract, rather than math-oriented. So I also believe that other things, besides pain, can affect R/L discrimination. However, whatever your initial scores are with <i>Recognise</i>, the purpose is to improve them to see how they help with your pain. Lastly, I've emailed NOI to check about a US site. If there is, I'll post it here, so check back. I’ve tried Recognise to evaluate it. However, I’ve been able to score very high, meaning I don’t have left/right discrimination problems right now. I might have when my pain was worse.

So I’ve moved on to the mirror imagery treatments, and am currently seeing how that goes.

Of interest, my husband, who has no pain problems – other than a cat whom he finds painfully annoying :) – scored poorly. His skills are more abstract, rather than math-oriented. So I also believe that other things, besides pain, can affect R/L discrimination.

However, whatever your initial scores are with Recognise, the purpose is to improve them to see how they help with your pain.

Lastly, I’ve emailed NOI to check about a US site. If there is, I’ll post it here, so check back.

]]> By: Lynn http://www.howtocopewithpain.org/blog/101/heres-a-way-to-get-ready-to-move-with-less-pain/comment-page-1/#comment-3434 Lynn Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:24:52 +0000 http://www.howtocopewithpain.org/blog/101/heres-a-way-to-get-ready-to-move-with-less-pain/#comment-3434 Have you tried the Recognise program yourself? Also, are you aware of a U.S. based site for ordering Recognise cd versus NOI group site and its rather costly freight charges? Thanks. Have you tried the Recognise program yourself? Also, are you aware of a U.S. based site for ordering Recognise cd versus NOI group site and its rather costly freight charges?
Thanks.

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